[ The visit is unexpected. Luckily, Trahearne is on the couch, reading, Kaspar nowhere to be found. He eyes the door curiously before striding over and flinging it open to greet his visitor. ]
--Lord van Zieks.
[ The surprise is obvious in his voice. ]
Come in. [ He steps out of the way, allowing the other man entry. ] To what do I owe this honour?
[ Kaspar could be anywhere, as flighty as he is. Trahearne doesn't keep tabs on him, and that seems to work out for them. There's an immense amount of unspoken trust between them, it seems.
Trahearne doesn't notice the lack of "Mr.".
He takes a seat at the little dining table and gestures to the other chair. ]
Please, take a seat.
[ If it's about his note, then this is probably going to be a professional conversation. ]</small.
I'd like to say first that while appreciated, your apology is unnecessary. I do not hold what happened against you.
[He shifts in his seat slightly, a little stiffer, more professional.]
However, I am interested in your proposal. I have been thinking about it, and I feel that, regardless of whether this island has its own legal system, we seem to exist as something separate. I feel that, while hopefully none such thing is necessary, we should establish some sort of system amongst ourselves. The major issue, as I see it, is that I do not envision many people willing to submit to such a thing.
[ Trahearne dips his head in gratitude, but makes no other mention or reaction to it.
As van Zieks takes on a more professional posture, so does he. He thought so. His normally meek and wallflower-like demeanor seems to disappear. ]
No--it's rather clear from our general population's reaction to the goddess's methods that they are not content to be forced to do anything.
[ Neither is Trahearne, despite his willingness to go along with all of this. That's different, though. ]
But I like your idea. Perhaps not strictly a legal system, per se--but a system that protects all of us from potential harm. I believe the key, however, will be to create something that is clearly beneficial and in everyone's best interests. Those benefits should speak for themselves, which will then attract those who see and understand them. An intrinsic willingness is better than asking for submission.
[ Maybe he's lucky in that most of his soldiers were intrinsically willing to kill dragons, but. ]
In... in theory, the benefit is the promise of safety, however... [It's harder to sell in small groups like this.]
I cannot say to know much about protection. My work lies on the other side of things, enacting punishment after crimes have already been committed, though on theory, the threat of consequences is also a deterrent of crime. Right now, there's not clear consequences in place.
[ A frown. Trahearne knows how the law works, yes, but rarely did he ever pay much attention to it. He respected it when needed. And he knows van Zieks is a lawman, but this just rubs him the wrong way. ]
Respectfully, we should not be thinking of punishment and consequences first. We should lay out our expectations of what a member of our community should do or how one should behave before thinking of ways to reprimand those who fail to meet those expectations.
[ He may be a military leader, but he is a sylvari first and foremost. And they're...definitely not at all rigid about their systems. ]
And what do you propose those expectations are? We are all, in theory, self-sufficient. That should prevent many issues, though I have no doubt issues will inevitably arise in any case.
[They're basically living like poor people, right? What problems do poor people have.]
[ Trahearne crosses his arms, quickly thinking of the town and situation in which they live. ]
To not harm one another. To not harm or otherwise disrupt another's farm or efforts in farming. To not vandalise or damage community buildings or spaces.
Things like that. It's rather basic, but to be honest, I don't foresee terribly complicated cases causing problems for us.
[ There is a rather powerful deity taking care of some of that stuff for them. ]
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--Lord van Zieks.
[ The surprise is obvious in his voice. ]
Come in. [ He steps out of the way, allowing the other man entry. ] To what do I owe this honour?
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[He glances around.]
Kaspar isn't home?
[Apparently he doesn't get a "Mr." Hm.]
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[ Kaspar could be anywhere, as flighty as he is. Trahearne doesn't keep tabs on him, and that seems to work out for them. There's an immense amount of unspoken trust between them, it seems.
Trahearne doesn't notice the lack of "Mr.".
He takes a seat at the little dining table and gestures to the other chair. ]
Please, take a seat.
[ If it's about his note, then this is probably going to be a professional conversation. ]</small.
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I'd like to say first that while appreciated, your apology is unnecessary. I do not hold what happened against you.
[He shifts in his seat slightly, a little stiffer, more professional.]
However, I am interested in your proposal. I have been thinking about it, and I feel that, regardless of whether this island has its own legal system, we seem to exist as something separate. I feel that, while hopefully none such thing is necessary, we should establish some sort of system amongst ourselves. The major issue, as I see it, is that I do not envision many people willing to submit to such a thing.
no subject
As van Zieks takes on a more professional posture, so does he. He thought so. His normally meek and wallflower-like demeanor seems to disappear. ]
No--it's rather clear from our general population's reaction to the goddess's methods that they are not content to be forced to do anything.
[ Neither is Trahearne, despite his willingness to go along with all of this. That's different, though. ]
But I like your idea. Perhaps not strictly a legal system, per se--but a system that protects all of us from potential harm. I believe the key, however, will be to create something that is clearly beneficial and in everyone's best interests. Those benefits should speak for themselves, which will then attract those who see and understand them. An intrinsic willingness is better than asking for submission.
[ Maybe he's lucky in that most of his soldiers were intrinsically willing to kill dragons, but. ]
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[It's harder to sell in small groups like this.]
I cannot say to know much about protection. My work lies on the other side of things, enacting punishment after crimes have already been committed, though on theory, the threat of consequences is also a deterrent of crime. Right now, there's not clear consequences in place.
no subject
Respectfully, we should not be thinking of punishment and consequences first. We should lay out our expectations of what a member of our community should do or how one should behave before thinking of ways to reprimand those who fail to meet those expectations.
[ He may be a military leader, but he is a sylvari first and foremost. And they're...definitely not at all rigid about their systems. ]
no subject
[They're basically living like poor people, right? What problems do poor people have.]
no subject
To not harm one another. To not harm or otherwise disrupt another's farm or efforts in farming. To not vandalise or damage community buildings or spaces.
Things like that. It's rather basic, but to be honest, I don't foresee terribly complicated cases causing problems for us.
[ There is a rather powerful deity taking care of some of that stuff for them. ]